Marvin Shilmer

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  Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?

  by RubaDub in

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  2. beliefs

  i guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?

  he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.

  i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The real question is did Adam have a penis? Watchtower doctrine had Adam created as a sexless human.

  Here: Watchtower -- Did Adam have a penis?

  
  
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  Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

  by Lee Elder in

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  2. medical

  this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

  sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

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  I'd love to read the article but it wants me to register or sign-up for crap I don't want to clog my puter up with.
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

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  2. beliefs

  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  Freddy Franz not only talked to his shoes, his shoes answered him back with astounding theological insights!!!

  If nothing else the crap he wrote had sole!
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  Talk on "Reaching Out"-Only What BOE Thinks Matters

  by Simon Templar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for the “living as christians” section of the workbook, “are you reaching out?” talk (15 min), the bethelite gave this talk at the meeting.

  he totally departed from the subject matter which is the watchtower of september 15, 2014, pages 3-6. he was so far off the reservation, it wasn't funny.

  here are a few highlights of what was said: 1) if any brother asked why they haven’t been appointed, and wants to know if there is a problem or condition that exists, that brother is too “presumptuous” and therefore, can’t be used.

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  First thing I'd probably do is say to her, "You don't even know the half of it yet." Then see where it goes.

  Second thing I'd probably do is send a thank-you note to the Bethel speaker.
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  Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  yes - awake!

  1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

  "in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

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  Symbols of death!

  
  
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  Blood: Article about director of Atlanta's Emory Center for Ethics facing a contorversial decision involving a 17-year-old JW

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.atlantamagazine.com/health/emorys-center-for-ethics-faces-some-of-the-most-complex-and-controversial-issues-in-modern-medicine/.

  emory center for ethics director faces some of the most complex—and controversial—issues in medicine paul root wolpe and his team think through the tough questions brought about by medical advances .

  january 28, 2016 tony rehagen .

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  It's not just teenagers doing this among JWs. Adult JWs do the same thing.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin are there any donation services that accept blood donations under those conditions? Has it ever actually been done? If not then I don't take the Watchtower's comment on this seriously. It's theoretically allowing for donation while in practice insisting on conditions which rule it out. The hypocrisy still stands.

  I believe there are plasma donation centers that specialize in plasma protein therapies where virtually all of the donated plasma is separated into components JWs can accept transfusion of, which means JWs could theoretically donate to these centers given assurance that their donation would be used for this purpose. I say theoretically because Watchtower has never advertised this piece of its blood doctrine to the rank-and-file membership. When I ask Watchtower trained HLC members about this they look at me like I have a third eye. So Watchtower has, to my knowledge, obviously not trained even its HLC membership on this.

  When JWs accept blood fractions then the blood products they are accepting have not been donated by their fellow believers.

  No doubt about that!

  You won't get any dispute from me about Watchtower's hypocrisy, and in particular when it comes to its blood doctrine. Watchtower's leadership are all pigs for leaving this policy in place. None of these leaders believe the doctrine and are absolutely unwilling to defend its critical details in full public view.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  Regarding "plasma"

  As a rendering from whole blood this product is wholly unknown in the natural world. What I mean is that in the natural world there is no instance where this product would be found. Rendering "plasma" from blood is a wholly man made affair. It takes a carefully choreographed chemical and mechanical manipulation of whole blood to get this product. There is nothing in nature that does this.

  When it comes to Watchtower's policy on "plasma" there is another thing that really shows how utterly ridiculous it is. There are two products you can render from "plasma" and those two products are known as cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate. The supernatant is about 99% of the original "plasma" and the precipitate is the remaining 1% of the original "plasma". Watchtower leaves it to JWs to accept as much of either or both of these two products as they want, and JWs lap this stuff up too!. (See: Over 96% Accept 99%!

  That means a JW can literally accept 100% of "plasma" so long as it is rendered into cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate prior to transfusion.
  

  There is nothing rational about Watchtower's blood doctrine. Nothing.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I still can't understand how JWs can accept blood components when JWs don't donate blood. I've never heard a JW even attempt to answer the hypocrisy, selfishness and cynicism involved in that. Not just a bad explanation, I've never seen any sort of explanation whatever. Has anyone ever seen this defended?

  Watchtower policy regarding donation of blood is that a JW can donate blood for purposes of transfusion medicine so long as what is donated is dissected into "acceptable" parts before those parts are transfused, and anything remaining from the original donation is disposed of. (See: JWs can donate blood...)

  Unfortunately Watchtower does not advertise this particular aspect of its doctrinal position. That's understandable given it only adds to the doctrine's already legendary (not to mention hopeless) ridiculousness.
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  What Are Your "Senior Moments" Like?

  by compound complex in

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  2. friends

  dear friends:.

  i imagine by now we old timers have adjusted to the fact that we are getting older and, one day, will make our exit.

  are your "senior moments" ever a cause for worry to you?

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  I can't remember.